@ RS, well if he is interested in photography then just so long as you can find a friendly one that is not full of know all's full of their own self importance then I say go for it. My first impression was that some of our lot were a bit stick in the mud and a good laugh would crack their faces, but after the naughty boys who always sit at the back (my mate Mick and I

) started dropping in a few comments and put downs they seemed to lighten up quite a lot, I reckoned that when my mate complained to the club secretary that he had been duped into joining the 'Camera Club' and said he thought that I had invited him to accompany me "to the local 'C.A.M.R.A. Pub" he realised he had a problem on his hands and the look of surprise on his face was worth it.

The following week when we were invited to take our own cameras and get help and advice from the more experienced members, I stood at the bar and with a perfectly straight face took out a £4.50 disposable camera and started to ask him what his advice was regarding getting better results from it, his face was a picture as he stuttered out something like "er, er, well, I have seen some really nice pictures taken with one of these," my mate nearly choked on his pint.

Still I must have made some impression as I have been asked to be on the judges selection panel to choose the images to be entered into the next inter club competition.
@ Kiya, not a full refurb, I am having to replace the Combi boiler so have taken the opportunity to replace the cabinet under the sink as it had some water damage from a tiny leak. So I decided that it would be easier to fit the boiler while the sink and worktop were out of the way, then I decided that if they were already out of the way then it would be a good opportunity to re-tile the floor.

That also meant I had to remove all the lower units and the worktops, oh and the washing machine and the fridge and the cooker and the dryer.

So now the place looks like a dump and I can't find anything and am living on Aunt Bessie's frozen mash potatoes and tinnned vegetables all of which can be microwaved, I just add some meat to it such as sausages or chops which I can cook with my plumbers blowlamp.
