Give me strength!

[Ruby Slippers]

I am totally p****d off with our little corner of the UK being under siege from illegal immigrants! I don't know how Grandad is coping with all the disruption because he's closer to it than me, but 16 of the b*****s were caught in my town this morning and enough is enough! Our roads are absolutely gridlocked with traffic and lorries and I feel so sorry for the parents who have acted responsibly by booking their annual holiday during the school holidays, because a good few of them are spending most of it in traffic jams! I used to have sympathy for immigrants but that's certainly gone out of the window! They are already in the EU for God's sake, so why the hell must they get over here??? Why not settle in the countries on the continent?

[Horus]

I am in complete sympathy with you RS, all this crap about them fleeing persecution etc. The sole reason is to get into the UK and access everything that we as a country have built up with our hard work and taxes. How come they are all young men and very few women and children? If they are really seeking asylum why did they not do so at the first opportunity in France or wherever they arrived at first? If you are in fear of your life and want help you don’t drive around looking for a police station that suits you, you would be in the first one you spotted regardless of where it was. I am sick to death of all these do gooder’s that keep telling us that we should welcome this ‘swarm’ (for that is what it is) of people simple seeking to live here.

But what really pee’s me off big style is that they leave a country that is usually morally and financially bankrupt with archaic customs and backward religious beliefs that are often the cause of their countries plight, then insist upon the right to turn my homeland into a replica of the place and style of government that they are fleeing from. I say enough is enough, they are not refugees they are economic migrants who deliberately destroy their documents to avoid being repatriated to their countries of origin. I am sorry but we cannot feed or house the rest of the world, our own culture and country is being swamped by this unbridled immigration and people assuming that they have a right to be here at any cost and it is about time someone had the balls to get tough with these people otherwise it will turn into a deluge. They have already started to realise that if they keep up these concerted attacks on the Channel Tunnel and vehicles using it that sooner or later the dam will break. We must start to employ more drastic measures such as a cordon around the terminal whether it be this side or the French side and enforce it with an military no nonsense presence that includes deadly force if necessary. OK we will get the usual lefties and bleeding hearts telling us we should not do this, but I can assure you that after the first dozen or so fatalities it will stop. Also it should be a policy that no one who enters illegally is given any sort of leave to stay here, in this day and age it should not be impossible to carry out a DNA test for people who destroy their documents and determine their ethnicity. We should then pay that country to accept that person back again, make it profitable for them to accept. OK there will be many that have an ethnicity that does not belong to their REAL homeland, but it will be close enough and if they do not like where they are returned to, then they may just remember where they really did originate from and want to return there, either way it would not be our problem, they created it themselves.

[Grandad]

RS, I am sufficiently away from the M20 and the surrounding diversions to not be affected directly BUT I agree with yours and Horus's sentiments. I will have mentioned that my son is a Eurotunnel train driver so I do have first hand knowledge of the problem.
But this has been escalating over 6 weeks. It has been reported on local media but it is only in the last few days that it has become a headline in national media. During that 6 weeks, operation stack has been in operation for the equivalent of 4 weeks with lorries 'parked' on the M20 for up to 28 miles. And only today has a government minister visited Folkestone to see the problem and when interviewed by BBC South East he spewed the usual political bile making claims that it was not the governments problem. If that is so whose bl**dy problem is it?
Nobody has the balls to stand up and say what everyone else is saying which they could use Horus's words above as their text. And don't count on the French to help in any way. Look at the way their inefectual police stand by and let striking ferry workers cause disruption by burning mountains of tyres on the Eurotunnel tracks.
Cameron called the immigrants 'a swarm', and all the lefties condemn him for his words. In my opinion A Swarm is exactly what is trying to get on to boats and trains at the French ports.
Just round them up and transport them back to where they came from. And if that is not exactly where they came from, hard luck. They have found their way from Africa and the middle east so when dropped on those shores let them find their own way home.
At times like this we need a dictator who would simply say what is going to happen and MAKE it happen. If this is not quickly nipped in the bud, these people will soon find that they do not get houses and jobs and money as they have been told and they will turn to crime. And we have a police force much reduced in recent years so the future looks very grim.

[LovelyLadyLux]

I'm not quite in the loop of what you're talking about and I'm not following what RS is saying is happening..........but........I can empathize that the flood gates seem to be open now and people from all over the world are travelling everywhere to "escape" what they then try to recreate in their new land.

[Horus]

LLL, the problem we are experiencing at the moment is that the majority of travel for imports/exports of goods to and from Europe is via the Channel Tunnel and the Ferry companies, these are also used by many people going on holiday on the continent. At the moment we are having strikes and various forms of disruption caused by French ferry workers who are blocking roads and ports, in typical Galic fashion the French police do little or nothing to stop them from setting fire to piles of tyres on motorways and even the rail track for the Euro Tunnel trains. This means that all of our lorry transport starts to pile up in one huge backlog of traffic, so much so that they have to allocate an entire lane as a huge lorry park (sometimes over 26 miles long) of static traffic. This is causing chaos for anyone trying to travel on their holidays or even local people trying to go about their business and the thousands of illegal immigrants that are around the port of Calais are taking advantage of this disruption to hide in vehicles or trains to get into the UK and something needs to be done to sort it out.

[LovelyLadyLux]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh - ok now I get it. NOTHING on that reported here on the News at all - BUT having lived on this Island almost my entire life I do quite know all about ferry line ups and waits and getting stuck in the middle of nowhere waiting to get somewhere.

[Jayway]

As you know I/we go on lots of FB sites. France has let them in for a few years now and the overflow is getting to Britain. According to many posters these people have shaved their beards, and fully intend to take over the country for Isis. You have already allowed Sharia law, mosques, deleting Christmas, changing school dinners at Ramadam etc ect, and I am wondering if you actually are on the slippery slope to the complete loss of Britain. It is time someone stood up, Britain is an island and easily defended, this has been forgotten somewhere along the line - - -

[Grandad]

Jay, those are the thoughts and concerns of many if not most Brits except, that is, the politicians who don't want to upset anyone, like the French and the human rights brigade. Did you know that many immigrants are now being accommodated in three star hotels, comfortable room, 3 meals a day and £35 a week pocket money all at the tax payers expense. I bet they now believe that England (they all want to go to ENGLAND) IS the promised land that they have been told it is.
You bet we are all peed off with it and if these people are allowed to stay on the basis that their lives would be in peril if they returned to their home countries, and if they can't find employment they will resort to crime. Thin end of a horrible wedge I think.

[Horus]

Until someone stands up and makes the clear distinction between a refugee and an economic migrant then the problem will persist. A refugee is fleeing for their life and will seek refuge in the nearest safe haven, usually an adjacent country and these people can and should be helped to survive until such time as they can return to their own country. If that means that on occasion we have to take some in then we should set up properly controlled refugee camps that do not allow admission to our own country and no right to settle here even for dependants born within this umbrella of aid. Anyone who passes through several other countries to reach our shores is not by definition fleeing for their lives or in imminent danger and therefore certainly not a refugee.

An economic migrant on the other hand is someone who sees a better life somewhere else and tries to live there. All countries have economic migrants, but they are strictly controlled, where else in the world does any country offer unbridled access? OK we may sympathise with their plight or desire to live here, but the facts are that we cannot accommodate the whole world. Some say we should allow these several thousand migrants at Calais into the country to solve the problem, but does anyone seriously think it would end there? It would just become a deluge of people arriving on our shores, it would be unsustainable.

However harsh the decisions need to be we must take effective action immediately to deter and stop this situation from getting any worse and I am afraid to say that deadly force may be the only answer. If someone chooses to ignore an electrified fence or border guards with dogs and orders to shoot anyone jeopardising the safety of the Channel Tunnel, the trains or our heavy goods vehicles, then that is their own problem. We have a right to protect our country, our trade and our imports, at this rate we may soon see shortages of goods and an effect upon our own standard of living unless we deal with it now.
Just imagine how quickly a country would deal with an invasion by an army several thousand strong trying to breach its borders, what is the difference now? Whether or not our politicians grow the balls to stand up and deal with this problem remains to be seen, anyone myself included could put a stop to this sort of thing with very little effort, It may not make me popular, but it would get solved.

[Jayway]

I would like to bet there wont be any in Russia ,,, Make a nice big camp like Gitmo, Dartmoor would suit nicely . . stick the lot in there, no british passport ? off you go. They would soon get sick of the weather and apply to be repatriated - -

[LovelyLadyLux]

The USA is inundated with Mexicans and Middle & South American "refugees." I don't think they ever say they're fearing for their lives they are just sneaking in and blending in. Many cities in the US in the south hardly speak English anymore. The latest has been to send children to the border - THOUSANDS of them.

Am making the point to say I can appreciate (although haven't experienced) what you're saying re: illegals arriving and then taking over.

I also have to say I don't believe we have the same influx of illegals (am quite sure we have them) but not to the extent you do there. The actual immigration process into Canada is quite strictly controlled in that it is a POINT system and you have to have so many POINTS to be able to get in - however - once ONE is in and settled they can then bring in the entire clan! And do.

June 2012 I believe many of our laws became more restrictive in that now you can only sponsor somebody every (and I'm not positive) 7 years. It doesn't mean you can't sponsor it just means the process has been slowed way down and if you do sponsor somebody I think you then do become financial responsible for them for something like 10 or so years.

The above being said most who are trying to get into Canada are REALLY trying to get into the USA so we're much more a pass through country than a destination and that being said we do have problems back in eastern Canada from those who follow Islam. There are significant numbers in some areas of Canada and they've attempted to introduce Sharia law and, am sure, are the ones who have banned Christmas celebrations, the saying of "Merry Christmas" etc etc etc.

I posted something on here recently about how the Dutch are dealing with or going to deal with the problem. I sincerely believe ALL of us need to adopt that approach.

Our own ways, traditions, way of life IS under attack and is being eroded away............

[Horus]

Keep it simple, NO ONE will get any sort of consideration for immigration or refugee status unless you can show proof of your nationality or country of origin, NO EXCEPTIONS.
After that they are held in some offshore location until they are processed ('Rockall' springs to mind) then ALL applications have to be made in their country of origin or at the British Embassy in the NEAREST safe country, no other method is allowed. Applicants should submit to a DNA sample and a retina scan, this also applies to illegals caught within the UK or trying to enter by other means when they are apprehended. Such people should face immediate deportation with no right of appeal and refused permission to make further applications for at least another 10 years. Anyone given refugee or immigration status who commits a crime that carries a prison sentence should also be deported back to their original homeland with no right to return. We do not need to pay for loads of extra prison places, just pay their countries of origin a bounty to take them back again. So there you have it, tough? Yes, unfair at times? Yes, but just so long as we stop the do gooders lefties and human rights brigade from interfering then it would work.

[Grandad]

Horus I have reserved a soap box for you at Speakers Corner next Sunday morning. But don't be surprised if you are arrested for Racism, sexism, anti human rights'ism and all the other 'isms; but rest assured you will have such a vast following that the police will run away.

But seriously, if only words like yours were spoken by those who DO command an audience then perhaps there would be a national stirring as when we went to war in Iraq. It takes a lot to get us Brits angered but with the right leadership peoples feelings will be made known.

I have said it before "HORUS FOR PM"

[Horus]

I am flattered by your support Grandad and if it were possible for ordinary mortals to get a say without being branded as every sort of racist, fascist or whatever by the 'bleeding heart brigade' then I may have considered it. However I am old enough to know that we are usually governed by the self serving elite who care little about our opinions unless they are making something out of it themselves, no wonder the electorate are fed up with poiliticians in general.

[LovelyLadyLux]

Right now in the USA Billionaire Donald Trump has opted to take a run at the Presidency 2016. Being a billionaire and a VERY outspoken one at that he is spouting off in a very down to earth fashion on MANY sensitive topics that all present Politicians evasively talk about using a million words that actually say nothing.

Interestingly enough Donald Trump, who many touted would never get a following, is actually totally SURGING ahead in the polls. He is saying everything that most have been cowed into NOT saying by the PC police! AND most are standing up behind him saying "yeah me too!"

Donald's own position is that he has enough money he is not beholden to ANY GROUP or LOBBY and so he can say it like it is and is running on a platform to "Make American Great (again)"

Donald has TV shows and is somewhat flambouyant but as he is speaking out more and more and basically telling all the PC to go shove it he IS bringing out what lots of Americans want. I predict unless he commits a major faux pas he WILL end up getting elected.

Talk about an entire world of ****** of other Politicians BUT as he is now pointing out - they've had years and years to do NOTHING!! But say LOTS about doing NOTHING.

This next Presidential election is going to be interesting.

[Horus]

I have seen him on TV over here and he certainly is very outspoken, hopefully he will put a bit of fire into your regular politicians.

[Horus]

This morning on the national news some “bleeding heart” wandering around the refugee camps in Calais was complaining that it was getting more expensive for them to get into this country because of the new security measures being implemented, well all I can say is GOOD! The more expensive it is the better in my opinion, lets hope it goes through the roof, the higher the price the more evidence we have that the new measures are working. Don’t these do gooders realise that the more it costs the less people will be attracted here in the first place, you don’t see queues forming outside Jaguar car showrooms because most of us cannot afford them. It also hammers home the point that these people are not fleeing persecution and are just economic migrants.

[Horus]

It seems that our illustrious leaders are deciding whether or not to close the Channel Tunnel at night as an illegal immigrant was arrested after he walked the 30 odd miles from France to England. He is not the first to do so and a concerted rush by thousands of illegal immigrants trying to enter the country is very likely at some future date especially as the French seem to be particularly useless at policing their end of things. So what do we do about it? We have this open tube connecting us to millions of potential economic migrants let alone many millions who would do our country harm. Surely our borders are sacrosanct and we are entitled to protect them from anyone who has no legal right to cross them, we are not some philanthropic organisation paying our taxes to look after the rest of the world. On a global scale we as a country do more than our fair share of foreign aid, but this to me just seems to make our situation worse as we are being seen as the land of milk and honey. Our policies are too lax towards people seeking to live and work here, we house them, we feed them, we give them medical care and then we allow anyone born to them to become a citizen and then extend those rights to their families when they too claim the right to be here. Meanwhile our own infrastructure is crumbling under the strain, our hospitals and doctors cannot cope and our social services are stretched to the limit, perhaps closing the Channel Tunnel and reverting to just using the ferry services for freight and passengers is the only answer to controlling this problem. It does beg the question though as to what exactly does our government have in place to protect the Tunnel in times of war or strife from foreign invaders?

[Jayway]

I remember a few years ago I visited my friends in UK. Due to the crap weather I ran out of inhaler, so went to the chemist - - "NONONO you must have a prescription." Ummm. So off I went to the doctors, after a million questions about my life and residence I eventually was admitted to the doctors sanctum. She gave me a prescription, when it was in my hands I told her my opinion of my runaround, as an english person, when foreigners are welcomed. Three months later, in Portugal, I received a sheaf of paper telling me why I am not entitled to NH in UK. Still makes me very angry.

[Horus]

I can understand that Jay, it does seem as if when you are English/British born you have to jump through hoops to receive anything, yet asylum saekers and the rest seem to get everything handed to them.