A long time comming

[Horus]

“You have declared your allegiance, you are an enemy of the UK and you will be treated as such”
At long last a definitive statement from David Cameron with regards to UK citizens who are leaving to fight for Islamic causes elsewhere in the world, now lets see if they have the balls to carry it through.

Edit: And another good one “We will introduce a United Kingdom bill of rights, a 'British Bill of Rights' based upon our own values and scrap the Human Rights Act” Now that would be good news as it is that particular act that allows all and sundry to pee all over us as a country by crying foul of everything that does not suit them.

[Grandad]

Big words from an otherwise uninspiring PM. But, like you Horus, I will wait and see if they are true to their word.

[Horus]

Oh I dont expect them to keep their word Grandad I just agree with the sentiments they express

[LovelyLadyLux]

In our history we came through a time last hundred years or so where we fought to ensure we are all equal and follow a democratic process. Now that we have this I've really started wondering if it really is a good thing? Have we set ourselves up to the point where anybody else with an agenda and willing to physically attack us can take us over and obliterate anything and everything we have worked for? Particularly when the actions of others are blatantly pointedly geared to obliterate us in very heinous ways.

I believe in the democratic process & equality with equal rights - but - what happens when we get IS who obviously blatently don't remotely consider our democratic lifestyle within their mandate? Am starting to think that maybe we need to review our position(s) and say we're NOT all entitled to the same rights and freedoms particularly if we don't seem to have a clue how to play nice in the sandbox.

Is our own democratic processes going to lead to our own demise? And - should we even be thinking about changing how we interact to eliminate from our society those groups who opt out and chose not to conform (i.e. Luton in the UK where massive Muslim protests have happened)????

[LovelyLadyLux]

Canada is making the decision this morning as to what we will do re: IS. It is estimated we have approximately 150 Canadians there fighting WITH IS and apparently these ISIS fighters have announced when their war there is finished they're returning to Canada to start killing us too.

Couple points: First it seems that Canada is going to enter the fight against IS on a limited basis for 6 months. A 6 month air war in Iraq (maybe Syria). Our PM Stephen Harper is asking for a vote on this in Parliament. Personally I'm not sure we have the military equipment to enter any fights. I recall the last time our guys were sent to Desert Storm quite a few ended up being bombed and killed by US forces who somehow mistakenly targeted them, nor did they have appropriate equipment for the desert and the level of our weapons wasn't that great.

Secondly I'd HOPE if we know there are 150 Canadians there as ISIS fighters we'd be rounding them all up and starting deportation procedures so these men NEVER get to set foot back onto Canadian soil.

Thirdly in our Parliament we have NDP (New Democratic Party) that seems to favor understanding & compassion - meaning they don't want to go to war. These are the PC police types. God help us if this group prevails.


OOPS - here is our PM right now on TV (UGH speaking both French and English so hard to follow when he switches back and forth) -- --- talking about all the atrocities ISIS/ISIL/IS has committed and supporting our allies and partners in launching air strikes against IS.

So - seems our Mission is to stop the growth of ISIS in Iraq (but not necessarily in Syria) but we're talking about doing this in 6 month blocks of time and this will be air strikes only but no ground troops.

[Grandad]

Just announced Alan Henning, the British taxi driver who was captured on a relief convoy to Syria, has been beheaded. And they, IS, showed an American who they say will be next.

Sorry to drift off topic but I was reading this thread on the tablet and Alan Hennings murder was announced on the news.

[LovelyLadyLux]

I apologize too for rambling - I was writing down my latest thoughts on Canada & ISIS and what we're doing when I realized I was starting to run late to pick up one of the boys for swimming and then our PM came on so I ended up in a bit of a fuzzy blur at the end........and now yeah IS has murdered/beheaded another innocent. Another person who was selflessly giving up part of his life to help and then meets this terrible end. Abhorrent and I can't say the word strong enough.

Am listening to a discussion of "rules of engagement" re: the enemy. Am honestly thinking (ahem) WTF?? RULES? We're worried about rules when we're dealing with barbaric criminals committing the most atrocious and heinous acts known to man?

I get we need 'rules' but we also need to gain control and if that means scorched earth so nothing can or will move for years to come - well - then that is what I think we need to do. I hate to think we need to become more barbaric than the barbarians but if we need to take them out we really need to take them out. I've said it before we issue an ultimatum that we're going to strike. Sad, very sad there is going to be quite a loss of innocent civilian life but these same civilians also allowed IS to grow in their midst.

I don't believe President Obama is able or capable of dealing with IS. I think he allowed this situation to develop and has no way of figuring his way out of this.

Canada has committed to 6 months to aid in this task. Probably to renew. Unfortunately our military is not strong and our equipment old so am not too sure we will really contribute much

[Kiya]

Just announced Alan Henning, the British taxi driver who was captured on a relief convoy to Syria, has been beheaded. And they, IS, showed an American who they say will be next.

Sorry to drift off topic but I was reading this thread on the tablet and Alan Hennings murder was announced on the news.

Grandad I didn't of the be-heading of the taxi driver till I saw your post.............it is so so so sad.

[Horus]

At the end of the day this scumbag excuse for a religious group are just trying to goad us into a response. I watched some cretinous bearded religious nutter dressed in an off the peg military combat uniform ranting on about why the West did not behave like real men and come and fight them on the ground instead of bombing them from the air. Well I have news for that piece of dog crap, “you would not last five minutes up against any of our trained ground troops, so consider yourself lucky we are only bombing you”. His reaction to the bombings is to me a demonstration that it is having an affect on them and it is a way of them lashing out against something they cannot control. It all smacks of the typical rants that come from that corner of the world, they always talk big but in the end they run away, think “We will give you the mother of all wars” (Saddam Hussein prior to getting his arse kicked) “You will be wadding knee deep in blood” (Gaddaffi) It seems to me that all these Arab nutters are good at is killing women, children, raping, torture and beheading and hopefully blowing themselves up and talking big, all in the name of some dumb religious belief. Keep bombing, stay away from the immediate conflict and then bomb some more and be as brutal towards them as they are to us. The gloves should be taken off until they are exterminated for the vermin they are and if any reasonable Arab states do exist, then get your own countries boots on the ground and finish the job because make no mistake, you will be next on the target list of this vile religious cult that will spread it’s evil throughout the Middle East unless you deal with it now.

[Jayway]

Has all common sense flown away ? WHY is Britain, Canada, USA etc poking their noses into arab business ? This stupidity baffles me - - or maybe not -- it keeps the public interested and not thinking about their own situation , debt, disease and crime. Clean up your own countries first - -

[LovelyLadyLux]

I wish there was some way to contain them all in the desert area they're located in and then totally block all their cyber capabilities and keep them contained in this area. If they want to live as they did thousands of years go then fill your boots our in a desert but that doesn't mean you'll have cell phones and cameras and all the technology that they're presently enjoying. Doesn't mean you'll have the ability to use refrigeration, heating elements etc. You're gonna learn to live off the land like you did years ago and we're gonna keep you locked and monitored in your area which you can rule as you want. No trade, no agreements, no convoys of aid or relief, no medical attention or access to drugs - no nothing. If you try to leave you're vaporized.

If you have relatives in Canada, USA, UK they'll all be dropped in to live with you. Too bad so sad they didn't curtail your jihadist ideas when you were all living in the civilized world but now all of you will be able to live as you want, pray all day - whatever you want in your own land.

I do believe they have to be obliterated for all time. I have no remorse saying this as they've made their choices so now will feel the full repercussions of these choices. They get no second chances, no GITMOS, no legal aid - you're a terrorist and need to be treated as evil enemies of the state - put to death for what you've done.