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Why are Arabs so far behind?

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:25 am
by Ebikatsu
External or internal factors:

the debate goes on about why Arabs are behind. Sooner or later we need to learn from others, writes Abdel-Moneim Said

When I wrote an article recently wondering why the Arabs didn't land on the moon, I wasn't aware that Robert Fisk wrote something very similar in a UK newspaper, which appeared in The Independent on 28 August and was only one of many that dealt with the same topic of why the Arabs remain so far behind other nations.

A cottage industry seems to grow around that topic, with many writers commenting on the UNDP Arab Human Development Report. The report became famous when George W Bush used it as a justification for reforming the Arab world and democratising it through peaceful or not so peaceful means. The report contributes considerably to our knowledge of the reasons for Arabs falling behind, and gives specialists a great opportunity to address questions that haven't been fully answered yet.

We almost missed the opportunity to benefit from the report because of the row that broke out between the publishers of the report and its chief editor, Professor Mustafa Kamal El-Sayed of Cairo University. El-Sayed disassociated himself from the report's final version just as the UNDP was holding a news conference in Beirut to discuss the new and unpleasant facts the report points to. Without getting into too much detail, the row was about whether the main cause for trouble in our Arab world, and the main threat to its population, was external or internal. Is it that foreign aggression and occupation are holding back the region? Or are we hostage to the backwardness of our own political, social and economic structures?

Views may differ, but no one is denying that both threats, the external and the internal, are taking their toll on the region. The point is highly political. Those on the Arab leftwing want to see a resounding condemnation of the Israeli and American occupation. And the UN, which speaks on behalf of many nations, maintains that no occupation could prevent people from having clean streets or teaching their children modern technology. This is also the view held by Robert Fisk, a man widely celebrated by Arab nationalists and leftists. According to Fisk, conditions of backwardness in the Arab world, and the mediaeval circumstances that we can see all around us, cannot be solely explained by the Arab-Israeli conflict.

The question keeps coming back, just as it has done since the 19th century when the Arabs first realised how far they lagged behind the rest of the world, and when they realised that their own backwardness made them easy prey for avaricious outsiders. The question now comes in a different context, partly because two centuries have passed since the first time it came up, and partly because we've shaken off colonial rule for quite some time. Also, other countries that used to lag behind have managed to catch up with the rest of the world with remarkable virtuosity.

In the Arab world, we've never experienced the horrors South Korea underwent during the Korean War. We've never known the harsh disruption of life that took place in China. The exploitation of India by colonial powers was on a much larger scale than anything we've seen. And we cannot claim to suffer, like the Mexicans, from the malaise of living next door to an international giant. Many in Mexico are entitled to envy us for our geographical location. A Mexican writer once declared, "How sad are you Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States." Countries that live next door to China, Russia or Germany have a reason to complain, not us.

The question has changed over the years. The circumstances have shifted so that parallels are no longer exact and many comparisons are deceptive. You cannot blame the civil war in Somalia on foreign interference alone. You cannot use foreign interference, or even occupation, to justify the deep rift in Palestinian ranks. There can be only one reason for the failure of Hamas and Fatah to close their ranks, and that is political irresponsibility.

Perhaps political sociologists should start looking into this question of "political responsibility" for it seems to be undermining change, progress, reform and democracy. For years, Arab political elites have taken upon themselves the political mantle of gaining independence from imperialist powers. They fought political and military wars against foreign colonialists and paid a heavy price in the process. In the end, we gained our independence. Then the elites, as well as Arab nations, didn't know what to do with it. We didn't know what to do with our hard-won independence.

Many other countries experienced a similar sense of bewilderment, but eventually their elites were able to call a spade a spade and admit that things had gone wrong.

In Southeast Asia, the moment of truth came right after the end of the Vietnam War and the US withdrawal. From that point on, the Asian tigers came onto the scene and the rest is history. In China, the turning point was the Communist Party's convention in 1978. In India, the defining moment came about in 1992. In Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and elsewhere, there was a point where things turned around -- where nations and their leaders knew that deterioration could not be allowed to go on. Other nations came to the realisation that the perils of civil war and famine were all too real, but not us.

In the Arab world, there is no lack of evidence that we have come to our moment of truth. The situation in Somalia is unbearable and Sudan is heading in the same direction -- Yemen too, and Iraq. Tensions are palpable in Lebanon and Algeria, and we all know about Palestine. The thing to learn is that "stable" countries don't remain this way forever. When you look below the surface, the signs of malaise are unmistakable. Everyone can see them except for Arab elites, and I am not just talking about rulers. I am talking about the civilian bureaucracy, the military establishment, and the culture and media agencies. None seems aware of how bad things are. Some even claim that we exaggerate negative signs for our own purposes.

Indeed, some get up in arms whenever they hear that backwardness is due to the lack of democracy, as if the whole purpose of such a diagnosis is to take away their power and privileges. They think that everything is a power game, for this is how things usually are in Arab countries. Take, for example, Mauritania, where one army general gave up his seat to let a civilian president take over. Then another general ousted the elected president with the full support of the "elected" legislative assembly. Then the second general was confirmed in office by "free" elections and international observers found nothing fishy in any of that.

The question is hard and there are no easy answers. We can discuss it forever and reach no satisfactory conclusion. At one point, however, we have to start learning from others. At some point, our elites, which are brave and smart, have put two and two together and get four. Until then, we'll do the best we can.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2009/959/op1.htm

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:44 pm
by Horus
A very interesting article Ebi and one that should attract a few comments and opinions. :)

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:43 pm
by Ebikatsu
I have my own opinions but I might have to delete myself and possibly even give myself a ban if you don't beat me to it
;) :lol:

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:30 pm
by Horus
Come on Ebi give us your views, I will probably agree with you :)
The biggest problem will be that as soon as we start to actually anallise the various reasons, the debate will split into factions, namely religious, anti colonial, anti American, anti Israeli etc, but lets give it a try :)

So I will set the ball rolling by saying that any religion, Islam, Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism etc, that has at its heart a belief that everything is the will of god and your real reward is in heaven after you die, will by its very nature imbue in its followers a lack of any desire to want to make changes to the here and now.
It is this very act of shirking responsibility for ones own destiny and accepting that your lot is determined by a greater being that is at the root of the problem.
Most civilizations have been plagued by this religious fervor at some time in their history. Most South American countries are poor for the same reason, they follow the dictates of a church that tells them to breed uncontrollably without concern for how they will be fed. So instead of that 'life' dying as a sperm or unfertilised egg, it is born, lives in poverty and dies of hunger or disease at a young age. All this in the name of a religion, which is the lesser of the two evils, contraception or death from hunger and disease?
These problems are exacerbated by these religions because to keep people poor is a way of suppressing the masses who once their position improves will stop being influenced by the churches in question.

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:23 am
by Ebikatsu
Horus

you have very good psychic powers :mrgreen:

It's exactly what I think.

In this case as we are talking about Arabs, I have very definite views. I am religious and I consider myself a muslim although most muslims would consider me not.
I believe in God and one God. Same as Abraham, Jesus etc. In those days before the followers of Christ called themselves Christian, they were Muslims according to the Quran. Muslim purely means you believe in one god, nothing more, so I am muslim.
The problems came before the prophets Mohammed's body was cold after he died.
The leadership to follow became political and if you read the Quran it actually say's that the prophets, people will cease too follow the book. It's there in black and white.
It was a strong, and envious position which was created on his death and much desired. This led to in my opinion the split to Shia, the caliphate being politically minded, and successive caliph's leading the uneducated masses into battle. To do that they had to say it was God's will and who were the uneducated to argue.
They could not read. In steps the scholars.
In the Quran it talks of this religion having no priesthood. It said that there should be no priests and to follow the Quran and nothing else. The Quran is complete ( it say's many times in the Quran this) it is detailed etc. So it was saying it needs no in depth explanation. It was to be added to the previous books. I
The Quran say's that the previous books words were corrupted.
These scholars took that to mean literally where I think it was done in thought by man and the meaning not the actual words.
This is why scholars are very dangerous to an uneducated following.
You can in effect make up any old crap and have people follow you if you tell them it is a divine book.

Introduce the hadith.
Hadith I believe is the absolute ruin of Islam.
A certain percentage is just pure common sense and there is no need for a book to tell you that.
The rest is in my opinion a load of 'bull'. In many instances it even contradicts the Quran.
This hadith is where the problems lie. Everything negative about Islam is found there. The marrying of the child bride Ayisha to the prophet is there!! I don't believe that either.

Today the hadith have superceeded the Quran and are if you ask any questions, the reference either from scholars, or from them on TV ALWAYS quote hadith in preference to the Quran..
Muslims today will argue. 'Well how would we know how to pray if it were not for the hadith as it does not list specifics in the Quran. My belief is this.
The Quran speaks of Jesus and his disciples as being muslim, therefore it follows that when Jesus was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane for instance he would be doing it Islamically. It was not written as far as I know on the actual procedure of praying but all those Muslim's since Adam were obviously doing it!!! It just makes sense!
I believe that the whole ritual of praying today is nothing like what any of the prophets including Mohammed done. All of the prophets purify. Simple washing of the hands is required and if no water available then it's no problem as it's the stopping and thinking of God for that moment as opposed to washing and cleaning everything in a ritual 3 times, which matters to God. Does he reject your prayer if you miss an elbow?!! ridiculous, but not ridiculous if you are an uneducated slave or peasant.

The 4 wife thing is rubbish. If you read further down it say's you cannot treat them fairly, so it is not allowed.
If you mention that to a scholar he soon shuts up.

So the caliphs of the past and the scholars of today have managed to keep a basically uneducated populace in check. Rote learning in schools, denies any questioning and if that's not enough you are encouraged throughout your life not to question anything or you will be damned so there you have it. A captive audience with people who can tell you basically anything.

Yes it is God's will but he say's over and over again that we must use our reasoning. If it does not sound right disregard it or question it. Scholars say otherwise.
Like my husband gets completely insane at the driving here. He say's that God will not forgive them for driving recklessly if they are thinking leave it to God's will. He say's God gave us choices and a brain too.

The more educated, converts, more thinking minds, people who question can turn it around , but when scholars are preaching not to question, they will always be in the minority.

Just my view.


;)

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:13 pm
by PRchick
I don't see it as a religious consequence but rather a political one. The Arab world has always had many intellectuals who have made great discoveries and contributions. However, they also seem to continuously have governments that control the population tightly and discourage individual rights. Great advances insocieties are most often brought about by individuals, often bucking the establishment, but without fear of extreme punishment. In today's world in particular, you must have a society willing to allow individuals to explore and experiment within reasonable limits and encourages individual achievement.

One thing I see in Egypt is how difficult it is to start a business there with all the restrictions.

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:26 pm
by Ebikatsu
I would think that all the great Egyptian minds get visa's to the US and the EU.

Magdi Yacoub once he qualified in Cairo and has his bachelors, and served his compulsory 'pay back time' moved swiftly out of Egypt to the UK and USA to learn about cardiac surgery.
He never worked in Egypt again and only came back a few times to do a bit of teaching.

Yes he was a fabulous Egyptian surgeon but learned his craft outside Egypt.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:35 pm
by KJB
Dr Magdy Yacoub is building a hospital for cardiac surgery and treatment in Aswan. He has funded the building himself (the government gave him the land) and he will perform surgery for free there. Not full-time, as you would expect, however, he is also involved in organising doctors from outside (and, I guess, inside) Egypt.

I don't have many details but it sounds like a wonderful facility for Upper Egypt (Dr Magdy's choice of location as, he believes, it is not right that everything should be in Cairo.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:56 pm
by Horus
That is a wonderful thing to hear about when someone uses his/her good fortune to benefit those worse off than themselves. It is especially inspiring when they use their great skills for the benefit of their own country. :D

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:55 pm
by Ebikatsu
KJB wrote:Dr Magdy Yacoub is building a hospital for cardiac surgery and treatment in Aswan. He has funded the building himself (the government gave him the land) and he will perform surgery for free there. Not full-time, as you would expect, however, he is also involved in organising doctors from outside (and, I guess, inside) Egypt.

I don't have many details but it sounds like a wonderful facility for Upper Egypt (Dr Magdy's choice of location as, he believes, it is not right that everything should be in Cairo.
That's fabulous news.

It's disgraceful though that the Government can't also build the hospital too.

Building a hospital and with the backing of Magdi Yacoub could bring in much needed income for the country from foreign and rich middle eastern countries requiring that service.

It could be a world centre just like Papworth and Harefield in UK.

God bless him.