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This little boy, his brother and mother all drowned trying to get to Greece from Syria.

Isn't this the saddest picture you have seen for a long time. Brought me to tears, I can't bare to see children suffering.

It is very sad.

I didn't quite catch it today on the morning news but apparently that family has a relative here in Canada who applied to sponsor them back in March. I don't have other details as to why that flew or didn't fly but apparently this family had options.

It is so extremely difficult to tell nowadays which families or people are really in need. On some levels we've all been in need at one time or another and we've handled it differently than it is being handled now in that I'm sure some of the mass migrants genuinely are displaced persons while others are simply moving because they see the benefit of better economics. Partly, I guess, I don't blame anybody for wanting to better their life but I do object to how they handle it once they move and then try to re-start a way of life that wasn't working for them before AND demanding that I change my way of life..........then there are these type of terribly tragic results.

I know no specifics and this just came across this on a News feed on my FB

The 3-year-old child photographed face-down in the surf had set out for Europe only after the Harper government had rejected his family’s refugee application.

Canada used to be respected and admired for our compassion. Right-wing politicians don't understand that there is no downside to having compassion. Refugees make excellent citizens -hardworking, grateful and they help contribute greatly to our nation's success. Being welcoming to refugees fleeing the horror that Syria has become is something every human being with even the slightest shred of a conscience should agree with.


The child's aunt, who lives in the Vancouver area, had sought to get Canadian refugee status for her relatives. A letter was even hand delivered to Chris Alexander, the Citizenship and Immigration minister, asking that the family be allowed entry to Canada as quickly as possible.

http://www.nytimes.com/…/wo…/europe/syr ... wning.html…



This is the full article:



Father Recounts How He Tried to Save Drowned Boys and Wife


By KARAM SHOUMALI and IAN AUSTENSEPT. 3, 2015


Abdullah Kurdi, the father of Galip and Aylan Kurdi, the young boys from Syria whose drownings have touched a global nerve, outside a morgue where their bodies were sent on Thursday. Credit Murad Sezer/Reuters

ISTANBUL — The father of Galip and Aylan Kurdi, the young refugee boys from Syria whose drowning off a Turkish beach has touched a global nerve, said Thursday that his family had paid smugglers more than $2,000 for a voyage to a Greek island in a 15-foot boat that was quickly upended by five-foot waves. His wife also drowned.

“The waves were high, the boat started swaying and shaking. We were terrified,” said the father, Abdullah Kurdi, 40, a Syrian Kurd from the town of Kobani near the Turkish border. “I rushed to my kids and wife while the boat was flipping upside down. And in a second we were all drowning in the water.”

Mr. Kurdi, who said his family had long been seeking to emigrate to Canada, spoke in a telephone interview arranged by local officials from Turkey’s Mugla Province, where he was completing paperwork for the bodies of his wife, Rehan, 27; Galip, 5; and Aylan, 3; to be returned to Kobani for a funeral.

A Turkish police officer carried the body of a young Syrian refugee who drowned off the coast of Turkey’s Bodrum Peninsula on Wednesday.

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Photos of Aylan’s body lying face down on a Turkish beach were widely circulated on social media on Wednesday, escalating anger and frustration over the failure to help desperate families from Syria and elsewhere in the Middle East and North Africa fleeing war and mayhem.

A Turkish police officer carried the body of a young Syrian refugee who drowned off the coast of Turkey’s Bodrum Peninsula on Wednesday. Credit Nilufer Demir/DHA, via Reuters

Choking back emotion as he spoke, Mr. Kurdi described how he had flailed about while trying to find his children as his wife held onto the capsized boat.

“I started pushing them up to the surface so they could breathe,” he said. “I had to shift from one to another. I think we were in the water for three hours trying to survive.”

He watched helplessly as one exhausted child drowned, he said, then he pushed the other toward the mother, “so he could at least keep his head up.”

Mr. Kurdi then apologized, saying he could no longer speak, ending the conversation.

Turkish news agencies reported Thursday that the police had detained four Syrians suspected of involvement in arranging the passage of the boat that capsized with the Kurdi family. In all, 12 people drowned in the capsizing.

Canadian news organizations reported Thursday that a lawmaker and Mr. Kurdi’s sister had sought unsuccessfully to arrange for the family’s emigration earlier this year.

The sister, Teema Kurdi, who moved to Canada about 20 years ago, told The Ottawa Citizen that she had applied for a visa that would have allowed the children and their parents to come as sponsored refugees.

“I was trying to sponsor them, and I have my friends and my neighbors who helped me with the bank deposits, but we couldn’t get them out, and that is why they went in the boat,” Ms. Kurdi, a hairdresser who lives in a suburb of Vancouver, British Columbia, told the newspaper. “I was even paying rent for them in Turkey, but it is horrible the way they treat Syrians there.”

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Fin Donnelly, Ms. Kurdi’s local member of Parliament, told the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation that after meeting with Ms. Kurdi in March, he hand-delivered a letter to Chris Alexander, the citizenship and immigration minister, asking that the family be allowed entry into Canada as quickly as possible. Mr. Donnelly said that Ms. Kurdi was also trying to sponsor another of her brothers and his family.

“I delivered the letter to the minister and — nothing,” said Mr. Donnelly, a member of the opposition New Democratic Party. “We waited and waited, and we didn’t have any action.”

The Ottawa Citizen reported that the visa applications were rejected in June, apparently because the United Nations had not declared the families to be refugees and because the Turkish government had denied them exit visas.

Mr. Alexander announced on Thursday morning that he was suspending his campaign for re-election to Parliament and was returning to Ottawa from his suburban Toronto constituency to deal with the family’s case.

“I am meeting with officials to ascertain both the facts of the case of the Kurdi family and to receive an update on the migrant crisis,” he said in a statement.

“The tragic photo of young Aylan Kurdi and the news of the death of his brother and mother broke hearts around the world. Like all Canadians, I was deeply saddened by that image and of the many other images of the plight of the Syrian and Iraqi migrants fleeing persecution at the hands of ISIS.”

During the current election campaign in Canada, opposition parties have charged that the government has not accepted enough refugees from the region. Mr. Alexander had promised to admit 10,000 refugees from Syria, but figures from his department indicated that by the end of July only about 10 percent of that number had been allowed into the country.

Mr. Donnelly said he spoke with Teema Kurdi on Wednesday night.

“She’s so upset,” he told the CBC. “She is distraught and will need time to recover from this.”

How can anyone recover from this situation?

For the sister who tried to save her family she has to find strength in the fact she tried.

It is all sad and tragic and I'm not sure anybody can ever sort it all out and find the truth IF truth is even to be found.

The entire situation of masses of people fleeing and literally pushing their way across the country is disconcerting and is spawning tragedy after tragedy on a daily basis. Who is at fault? Who is to blame? Who is to be held accountable or is anybody? What is an equitable solution? Really what can be done to stop what is happening?

It is sadly there is an unavoidable truth in the statement that "The sins of the gather shall be visited on their sons."

Exodus 34: King James Version
Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

The fact that it is true does not make it more palatable nor provide an easy answer - any more than any natural tragedy, unfortunately.

I am sure that many of us have been interested in Nature have observed that overcrowding of a species always leads to a reduction in numbers by fair mean or foul and it would seem to be part of the natural order of life on this planet.

Mankind can be amazingly arrogant. Few communities look at the cause and effect of what their forebears have done and continue to journey down the same wayward path, subjugating their peers and destroying the natural environment.

Not just in their physical relationships with each other, either. For example - the people who have inherited homes in "Typhoon Alley" in America know that they have a strong chance of having their homes decimated and possibly losing their lives.

When the inevitable happens and they are well fed, have a small amount of capital and perhaps dependents, but no home or means of support - if they move away into a more secure environment are they "economic" migrants or victims of a natural disaster?

In my opinion the victims of hurricane Katerina and the current migrants from the middle east have much in common, both are being visited by the sins of their fathers.

Interesting MD, but you can also add another twist to that particular statement if you actually believe in the Bible to start with. Maybe God is punishing those that live in the Middle East and follow Islam by believing the teachings of someone else (in this case Mohammed) and not following the god of The Old Testament?

In the Book of Exodus when giving out the Ten Commandments it also says:

“I am Yahweh your God, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me, and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments”

Of course I am not a believer in any of this, but just use this as an example of how any book, in this case the Bible, but the Koran in particular can be manipulated to suit your own interpretation.

From what I'm reading and hearing here it seems the father moved his family as he wanted to get a new set of teeth!!!

Interesting discussion and good points H and MD.

I have no answer. My relatives all ultimately left the UK and moved to Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand and S. Africa. Times were very hard in the UK, they were living in poverty so they uprooted and moved to a new land - HOWEVER - while they MOVED they did do it illegally. Nobody was rushing national borders and definitely nobody was living off welfare or handouts. When my ancestors moved they worked extremely hard to make a go of it. I really didn't know my father at all as a child as he was working early morning to late night typically 6 days a week if not 7. I'm really not sure if any of my relative would have taken a freebie handout. Can't see them doing it. I think they would have been insulted if anybody decided they needed charity. We often did without and were by no means rich. I lived off of older cousin hand-me-down clothes and we had to garden and then preserve all our food to be able to get through winter. Was a fairly hard life but nobody I can think of in my entire family ever accepted welfare.

Horus, struck me as so funny, your yahweh saying . Oh dear, well that has fuffed the catholics with the churches full of idols . . As for the muslim invaders in UK, I wish you luck and the ability to keep your head -

As I said Jay, it just shows the hypocrisy of all religions, they are all based very very loosely on how someone else interprets the contents of their particular holy books, none of which were written in the first person. As true accounts they are about as reliable as you writing down everything from memory that your best friend said when you were both 5 years old. The Old Testaments are even worse, stories and accounts handed down like Chinese whispers over hundreds of years that change with each generation.

This STORY is now floating about here in Canada and it definitely refutes quite a bit:

This Drowned Boy A Total Fabrication{0}


Better make this viral as it shows exactly what these low life’s get up to. We even had the stupid Australian Prime Minister saying we should do more and the lefties really getting their ***** in a knot trying to promote their cause. Say no to any so called refugees. They are mostly all liars filth and scum. The whole photo thing was fabricated, I will bet the kid is alive and well.

Family of drowned toddler Aylan Kurdi had been given FREE housing in Turkey, while father’s story is full of holes

His story is made-up. He was never on that boat to watch his wife and children drown. Listen to all the contradictions and holes in his story. This is an attempt to send his wife and children before him, while he never lived in a war zone. Unfold the #migrationfraud :

After leaving from what they say was a war zone (Syria is huge and the entire country is not a war zone) the Kurdi family was given FREE housing in Turkey and had been there for THREE years. Abdullah Kurdi was not in any war zone! He was safe, he had food, he had over $4,400 in cash, which is over 13,000 Turkish Lira – so why did he leave?

Frankly the whole story simply doesn’t add up.

This is what he told the press initially, as reported in the Guardian yesterday:

“I took over and started steering. The waves were so high and the boat flipped. I took my wife and my kids in my arms and I realised they were all dead,” he told AP.

The report according to Abdullah’s own words is that he lived in Turkey for three years and prior to that he had lived in Damascus. His sister makes the story even more confusing saying that Abdullah was a barber originally from Damascus, who fled from Kobani to Turkey but “dreamed of a future in Canada” for his family. Was he living in Damascus or Kobani? Kobani is over 500 kms from Damascus.

After “fleeing” from “war zone” Kobani he now wants to return to Kobani to attend — a funeral. Huh…? So he’s safe to fly back by plane to Kobani and attend a funeral. And guess what? ISIS was not even in Kobani when Kurdi claims his family “fled” from ISIS.

While Western media reports that he was trying to reach Canada, Swedish media are being given reports by Kurdi that he was trying to reach Sweden and that he had been receiving FREE housing in Turkey for three years. Abdullah claims he was trying to reach Canada but was denied asylum – while Canadian authorities say they have never received any application from him at all. Which story does Abdullah want to stick to?

People, what we’re reading here is a story about relatives serving as people smugglers to other relatives living in Turkey. This is what happened with Kurdi. His own family in Canada are his people smugglers trying to come up with ways for him to illegally fraud the immigration system, and make up stories about threats that he never experienced.

ISIS was not in Damascus three years ago when Kurdi claims he lived there. ISIS entered only a small rural part of northern Damascus last year and targeted a remote refugee camp with “Palestinians” earlier in 2015 and were pushed out. ISIS is present in a quarter of the country in Northern Syria, not in the South.

The father, Abdullah Kurdi, is giving different stories depending on who he is talking to. His sister Fatima gave an account of a phone conversation with her brother Abdullah that is reported in the DailyMail. That story is different to the one Abdullah Kurdi gave to the press.

Listen to the bits here from DailyMail:

Reliving the moments after the dinghy capsized and the Mediterranean waves crashed around them, Abdullah Kurdi described how he’d pleaded with his sons to keep breathing, telling them he didn’t want them to die.

It was only when he looked down at their faces and saw blood in Aylan’s eyes that he realised the boys had died in his arms and he was forced to let them go.

Looking around in the water, he spotted the body of his wife Rehan ‘floating like a balloon’. She had also drowned.

…and the version his sister Fatima gives, also from the DailyMail, is here:

Yesterday his sister Tima – who is also known as Fatima – revealed how the grief-stricken father had relived the final moments of his boys’ lives in a phone conversation she’d had with him.

‘When a bigger wave came and flipped the boat upside down, Abdullah right away caught both his kids and tried so hard with all the power he had to keep them up from the water, screaming, ‘Breathe, breathe, I don’t want you to die!’,’ she said.

‘In his left arm was Galip and he saw he was dead and he told me, ‘I had to let him go’,’ she added.

Then he looked at Aylan and could see blood from his eyes, so he closed them and said, ‘rest in peace my son,’ she went on to say.

She said that while he was still in the water, Abdullah saw his wife’s dead body floating in the water ‘like a balloon’, causing him to struggle to recognise her.

Sobbing uncontrollably Abdullah yesterday recalled his terror when the flimsy and overcrowded dinghy overturned, causing the night to be pierced by the screams of his fellow Syrian refugees as he clung on to his wife.

‘I was holding her, but my children slipped through my hands,’ he said.

‘We tried to cling to the boat, but it was deflating. It was dark and everyone was screaming. I could not hear the voices of my children and my wife.’

The wife was ‘a balloon’ in less than three hours ? The rate of decay to a dead body in water is not instant.

Bloated (2-6 days)
This stage of decomposition includes the first visible signs of decay, namely the inflation of the abdomen due to a build-up of various gases produced by bacteria inside the cadaver. This bloating is particularly visible around the tongue and eyes as the build-up of gases cause them to protrude. The skin may exhibit a certain colour change, taking on a marbled appearance due to the transformation of haemoglobin in the blood into other pigments. [ref The Forensic Library]

Although the father claims to have seen the dead bodies of his two children and his wife after their boat was hit by two large waves, his story then changes and he claims that he made it safely to the beach and assumed the wife and kid had become “scared and ran away”. Can someone explain to us how dead bodies run away? Here’s his own account reported in the DailyMail:

Over the following three hellish hours in the water, [in the short time his wife turned onto a ‘balloon’ – a sign of decomposing that only occurs 2-6 days later] Mr Kurdi battled for survival, while frantically searching for his sons and his wife, who had also been pulled from his reach. He found one child but it was too late – the boy had drowned.

‘My first son died from the high waves,’ he said. ‘I was obliged to leave him to save the other one. I tried to swim to the beach by following the lights.

‘I looked for my wife and child on the beach but couldn’t find them. I thought they had got scared and had run away and I went back to Bodrum.

‘When they did not come to our meeting point I went to the hospital and learned the bitter truth.’ (How can he learn the bitter truth when he claimed earlier that he saw them die and tried to save one of the sons, who had already drowned? He then attempted to save the second one who was dead with bloodied eyes, while finding his wife floating and bloated in the water. How can dead people like this run away?)

The barber had paid people smugglers £2,900 over the course of three attempts to reach Greece from a refugee camp in Turkey.

But he has told friends he wished he had also drowned to be spared a lifetime of self-recrimination over the family’s desperate gamble for a better life.

Pictures of Aylan and Galip have been shared by social networkers around the world, prompting calls for politicians to do more for fleeing Syrians.

Something is not right with this story and this incident. This man was never on that boat and never watched his wife and children drown. He is lying and making up the story. We’ve worked long enough with these humanitarian issues to recognize a tall tale. Basically, the fragmented and fabricated story tells us that the wife and children were sent to arrive before him as a lone mother and children. Of course this advice comes from his own family already living in Canada and parts of Europe, now serving as long-distance human smugglers. The wife is then to help get him entry at a later date and join them with a forged foreign passport when the wife already has housing and papers.

It’s all fraud. All if this explains his dry crocodile tears. They’re intentionally frauding the system. And now they also push propaganda to open the floodgates to the rest of these fraudsters.

It is however, noteworthy to hear this comment coming from Abdullah Kurdi according to his sister Fatima in Canada:

‘Of course it makes me sad that it’s taken this [tragedy] to make people realise what is going on,’ she said, adding: ‘Abdullah said, its ok if it has to be my kids and my wife who wake up the world, its ok. If it’s been written to happen that way, it was supposed to happen.’

And the Turkish people smuggler Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan responded to the deaths in his country’s waters by saying: “European countries, which have turned the Mediterranean, the cradle of the world’s oldest civilizations, into a cemetery for refugees, shares the sin for every refugee who loses their life.

Although I am not sure that the picture was staged and to be honest I doubt it very much as that child looked dead to me, but it does raise other issues. Although this is a tragedy in itself that a young child has drowned, we have to be very careful of being manipulated by the media. I noticed that every news report was saying the same thing “this is terrible we must do something about it”, this is just a gut reaction and will not solve the problem long term. I watched other reports that were not produced by the ‘bleeding heart’ brigade and they contained some more valid points that were being overlooked, in particular the strong opposition to this influx mainly by the old Eastern block countries such as Hungary and Czechoslovakia who do not have a history of accepting refugees from other places and many of these countries are very alarmed by this invasion of immigrants. Also contrary to what governments are trying to tell us, many surveys actually show very strong opposition to allowing such large numbers to receive asylum within their borders. As is often the case in these situations the media will play it for all it is worth and wheel out any number of people to give us their opinions as to what we as the West should be doing to help, however you never see the same amount of air time given to those that oppose the situation. A good example was on Radio 4’s ‘Question Time’ program when one caller disagreed with allowing more immigration, the presenter (a female) then continually interrupted what was a good logically thought out reply by the caller with the question “well would you just let them drown then?”
Now what sort of an argument is that? The caller could hardly say “yes” but every time he put forward his opposition and his reasons for them he was challenged with “well would you just let them drown then?”
It was a bit like asking “when did you stop beating your wife?” as any answer he tried to give would be misconstrued. So again I say, we must be very careful of allowing the media to drive this situation, as next week they likely will be covering the riots in cities all over Europe against mass immigration and wheeling out presenters all saying “we could see this happening with governments not thinking this through properly”
Don’t trust the media to give you the unbiased facts rather than their own slant on things.

Horus wrote: Don’t trust the media to give you the unbiased facts rather than their own slant on things.

Exactly!

The Media have a heck of a lot to answer for ........... they spread innumerable lies, damn lies and statistics which play upon the emotions: none of which are based on acceptance of our differences and the possibility that our own strongly held view may not be the best in every given situation.

This could be a hobbyhorse.

Just watched the media ( ha ha ha ) told me Cameron is sending 20 thousaaaaaaand invaders to a place near you. Time to put up the barricades - - Oh and did you see the gigantic mosque they want to build ?

At least today we have some good news the UK military have just taken out a couple of prominent terrorists with a drone strike ....... yippee!
They are being described as British citizens, but in reality they are just a couple of traitors fighting for the enemy (ISIS) and the more we take out the better.
Of course on the morning news we have the usual drivel trotted out as to whether or not it was legal, or should we be doing it in the first place, what a crock of Sh*t, who gives flying F*** if it is legal or not? They made the decision to go and join this bunch of murdering scum and to plot attacks against this country, they got what was coming to them, lets have a few more.

Just finished reading an article sent to me where it details by a bystander how the HORDES were acting on the Polish border. They were described not as refugees but as aggressive very angry young men who were literally rushing cars, yanking the drivers out (one old Italian lady by her hair), grabbing everything they could inside her car and stealing what they could. They advanced on a bus and did the same thing - the bus was bringing food and they literally smashed it, over turned it grabbing everything they could. No order, no patience, no intention of complying with any type of rule or law........

Is this WHO we think we are helping? Is this WHO we want living beside us?

There is a war in Syria and it is awful and tragic and while I think many innocents are desperate to get away I honestly do not believe relocating people to far away places where they are so culturally different and don't necessarily want to be is good. Are there plans to repatriate once the war is over?

And mostly I'm not seeing FAMILIES........many many many of the pictures are just young angry men. Where ARE the wives and kids and babies?

I think we're really on the verge of having our way of life impacted big time and not in a neutral or positive direction.

Nothing to do with refugees, most are ecconomic migrants and unless we exercise some sort of control we are heading for chaos, this current wave must be stopped and the sooner these do gooders shut up the better. I am sick of hearing that Labour woman Evette Cooper continually banging on about how we must do more to help and that each town should take 10 families etc, Well I have got news for her, she can have my share as well, so thats 20 families that can move into her local neighbourhood ....... and pigs will fly With policies like hers its no wonder the labour party got wiped out in Scotland in the last general ellection.

For some reason "us" here in Canada seem to see ourselves as the ones needed to rescue everybody and there is a strong contingent who want Canada to TAKE all refugees!!!! They're the bloody STUPID bleeding hearts who don't have a clue what bringing thousands and thousands of people to our borders will mean especially those who have no intention of ever blending in or, assimilating and/or even accepting that others have different ways of doing things and are not here to cater to the ways of somebody else.

I think there is a deep anger growing and there is going to be a backlash.

Well, there is hope yet, Grandad and Horus can join the Home Guard, LLL there must be something in your country to join? The UK patriot groups are growing daily and getting angrier, something will erupt very soon hopefully. So stock up on cans and water . just in case, eh?

Just think Jay, as soon as they realise that they can just sail across the Straits of Gibralta they will be comming over to you in droves via Spain, the second Islamic invasion will be underway.