Egypt4u

We have often discussed on here the problems of allowing other cultures to influence or dilute your own and a good example has recently been in the news here. It took place in India, but the very fact that it even happened in the first place beggars belief and even worse was that up until recently the Indian government and authorities had done nothing about it. It appears that a local village court made up entirely of male village elders had sentenced two sisters (one only 15) to be RAPED as a punishment for their BROTHER eloping with a married woman!!!

To me this absolutely abominable and barbaric punishment is an affront to all womankind, it absolutely disgusts me that in this day and age such practices exist. Furthermore it is not even a punishment for something they did personally, but rather a perceived crime by their brother, that of falling in love with someone of a lower caste.

Once again we see people (usually male) who because of some archaic custom and backward village mentality have the self appointed power to issue this sort of barbarism as if it was the law of the land. OK this happened in India, but until recent universal protests the authorities gave little or no attention to it.

I raise this point because this is exactly the sort of things that most people object to when immigration raises its head. All to often our own rulers will bend over backwards to accommodate another peoples culture in detriment to our own, Sharia law being just one example. In this country we have cases of forced marriages, (not uncommon) FGM, (again not uncommon) Honour Killings, (also common occurrences) mainly within the Indian community, but also occurring in others.

Just why do these immigrant communities insist upon bringing these unacceptable customs and beliefs with them? And more to the point why do we allow it to happen in the first place. There should be one rule for every immigrant and that is to sign a declaration that they embrace the culture of their host country in all its forms and renounce anything that does not adhere to the laws and customs of their adopted country, the alternative is to find somewhere else that suits your needs and customs better.

I read recently that Austria was to ban the mosques from preaching or teaching in any other language but Austrian, (German) but when you consider the harm that has been caused in the UK alone with imported village mentality Imams preaching their own backward brand of religious hatred in the mosques and radicalising many immigrant ethnic groups, then it is not hard to see the logic behind that particular ban.

But back to the obscene punishment handed out to those two unfortunate women in India. How can any government or culture worth its salt ignore or even condone that sort of thing as being acceptable? For any modern country (including my own) to condone or even allow an unlawful kangaroo court or cultural practices to be above its national laws is beyond belief, but it happens. If the Indian government has any credibility in the world it will arrest the whole of that so called village court and charge them with conspiracy to commit rape at the very least, then throw the book at them, demonstrate to these pathetic ancient old men wrapped up in archaic customs that they are not the law and neither are they above it and that women are not their chattels.
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I believe there have been many such cases although I have not heard of this case Horus. Is it very recent because after the gang rape and murder of the student on a bus in 2012, the Indian government brought in new laws to deal with acts like the one you describe. I hope they have some effect but, horrific as they are, there is little we can do about India's internal affairs.

What happens in the UK is a different matter and something we, as a nation, can do something about. Our governments have been blind to the extent that 'welcoming' ethnic groups into our community, can have on our way of life.

It is actually not too late to start to impose OUR will on these communities and to shut the door for any more trying to get in.

I believe it happened last month, here is the link to the news item that was on TV over the weekend:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/protest-siste ... ml#5di85vT

Note also that it was not just raped, the sentence was Gang Raped! the sick ******** and who would be carrying out the sentence? do they have a gang of official rapists on standbye, the mind boggles at these sub humans and their barbaric practices.

All sounds pretty sick and twisted but it does represent the a certain backwards mentality that unfortunately is alive and well in some countries.

Just why do these immigrant communities insist upon bringing these unacceptable customs and beliefs with them? And more to the point why do we allow it to happen in the first place. There should be one rule for every immigrant and that is to sign a declaration that they embrace the culture of their host country in all its forms and renounce anything that does not adhere to the laws and customs of their adopted country, the alternative is to find somewhere else that suits your needs and customs better.

Relating this quote back to us I've been thinking about this issue of how did we manage to Welcome Immigrants and put their custom and cultures so far above our own we actually degrade our own custom and values?

I can distinctly remember when I was approximately in 8th grade in school (I was about 14-ish) being taught about the great evil of the American melting pot where everybody was FORCED to speak English and give up all their own cultural ways. We were talk that was so very wrong and evil and maybe I was only paying attention to that particular lesson but it definitely impacted me and subconsciously influenced my thinking for years in that for whatever reason I always then placed almost anybody's culture over and above my own. I always thought it a good idea, for example, for people to retain their own language, wear their own traditional clothes, eat their own traditional food.

To me this created an interesting diversity to life, was colourful on holidays and I enjoyed hearing the different languages - however - I was way way way too simplistic in my thinking as I was really only seeing the holding onto these ways as superficial. I really wasn't recognizing that failure to comprehensively learn the language also influenced that keeping of archaic values and ways of life that were repressive, slanted, biased, discriminatory. All in all I never thought much about how other people lived until how they lived started to impact the way I lived and now we have what we have now where WE can't even say "Merry Christmas" because it might offend somebody. (And I realize this is a very simplistic example)

When did we think so little of our own culture, our own language, our own ways that we thought it a good idea to never require somebody who came here to learn our language, learn our ways and EMBRACE MY culture?

I seriously seriously seriously now believe that all the mega millions we've spent on translating and accommodating and giving it all to Immigrants has been extremely wrong. I understand if you're a Grannie or a Grandpa and i.e. over 65 that you might never adopt a new language but if you are of employable years and you arrive here IMO you damn better LEARN the language and adapt and if you won't/can't then after a given time you need to be repatriated back.

Sounds harsh but the mass hordes that are moving now cannot 'take over' and destroy our way of life and bring their way of life as their right to practice in my country.

LovelyLadyLux wrote:All in all I never thought much about how other people lived until how they lived started to impact the way I lived and now we have what we have now where WE can't even say "Merry Christmas" because it might offend somebody. (And I realize this is a very simplistic example)

I don't think that is simplistic LLL. It is precisely that kind of concession or deference to some other culture that is one of those small bricks that build up to a point where we look back and think 'how did we get here?'

We have had cases where it is considered acceptable to separate boys and girls in mixed schools. We concede and allow a muslim woman to wear the niqab in most situations but stop young men wearing hoodies, and Sikhs not to wear a motorcycle helmet when for anyone else it is an offence.

@ Grandad - actually I meant my example was simple but I do agree it all adds up and suddenly we are here where we are now where essentially OUR culture means nothing and we must bend to everybody else to the detriment of our own.

I remember being taught in school with mega examples of how the "white majority" ruled and took over and totally destroyed all aspects of everybody else's culture. While I can't say we (white people) have never done this cause we have I do believe our sense of law is well above that of many other groups and we've tried to institute a democratic process of fairness and equitability. Can't say we ALWAYS did this but I do believe in recent times we really are only focus'd on making life better.

Speaking as a fan of Enoch Powell - - - ummm no, I dont need to say anything else.