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Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:56 pm
by Grandad
Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
What's the SP then was Mrs G's usual morning question today. She uses SP in her way to ask what's the plans then. She also said she had no idea what she would cook for our evening meal. How about for a complete change we do Moules Mariniere I said. Our son and daughter in law with grandson Louis have been in the South of France for two weeks and they make a point of posting pictures of their seafood on FB. 'Good idea' she said, 'we can go to Whitstable and get some on the quay'. Right, sorted.
This will only be a very short tale of our morning but Whitstable, about 6 miles from home, is one of the few remaining Victorian towns that has retained a working harbour and the old part still has many of the old fishermans cottages right on the beach. It really came into its own in 1830 with the arrival of the railway but had been a fishing port for centuries before that. I have mentioned my own associations with the town; my grandfather was an oyster dredger and my mother was born there in 1913 in a cottage that regrettably no longer exists. Whitstable deserves a longer account but this is just a summary of this mornings trip.
As it is bank holiday most of the small working fishing boats were in harbour today but the fish 'market' was open as usual with an array of fresh fish to beat any supermarket counter. In the left bottom corner of this picture you will see what was to become our tea, about a kilo and a quarter of mussels.
This pano of the harbour shows how small it is but well protected because the outlet to the sea is at the far left and at right angles. An uncle and his wife used to run a Thames Barge from here to London carrying various goods.
From where the pano was taken there is a seafood stall owned by Mr West and operated by his grand daughter. Mr West, the older man opening the oysters, is one of the men sorting whelks in another picture on another thread. He knew my uncle and a cousin who were both fishermen. Anyhow we could not resist sampling some Native Whitstable oysters. So good we could still taste them more than an hour later.

One of my objectives was to find two houses displaying blue plaques (still working through my 'Blue Plaques I-spy book' Jay)

We could not find either mostly because the old backstreets are so narrow you cannot stop in a car. Will go again on foot another day. One is for Peter Cushing who retired to Whitstable with his wife Helen, absolutely loved the place and installed a seat at a point on the beach walk where Peter used to sit regularly. I will show more when I do a bigger piece on Whitstable.
It has been a very grey day and very few of the yacht club members had launched their boats. Parked in a back garden there is a Whitstable yaul, Favourite, built 1890. More about that next time but suffice to say there were about 100 such boats at the turn of the 19th century and this is the only one remaining and is subject of a restoration project.

Towards the west the beach path reaches an isolated pub, The Old Neptune, and then continues on to Seasalter where another very well known TV personality has a home.
I will cut it there except to say, the moules frittes were delicious.

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:47 pm
by Horus
Your trip has brightened up my own dull and fairly boring day Grandad, so thanks for posting
I look forward to a more detailed version of your visit, loved the name of that alley
And hope you enjoyed your meal it looked lovely, hope you threw out the ones that did not open

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:07 pm
by Mad Dilys
I could smell the sea! Thank you Grandad.
Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:37 pm
by Grandad
Mad Dilys wrote:I could smell the sea! Thank you Grandad.
My pleasure MD
Horus it was the greyest of days here and the forecast has just said it will be 14 on Tuesday

Yes there were 4 or 5 that didn't open, I know the rules.

But more importantly are the ones that are open BEFORE you cook. just a little squeeze together and if they stay closed , all is well, but they really were very nice.
Whitstable is full of a network of alleys and I must include a few when I tell more about this great little town. Just for a taster, one is called Squeeze Gut Alley

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:55 am
by LovelyLadyLux
Squeeze Gut Alley! Hmmmmm - tantalizingly interestingly looking forward to hearing all about that one.
Definitely looks to be a super cute and quaint place and even for a dull day seemed to have a good amount of activity happening.
You meal definitely looks delicious!

Can taste and smell it from here

(I'm on my way - keep some for me!)
Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:31 pm
by Kiya
Looks a nice little place for going in & out with a wee boat.
Cant say I would have enjoyed your meal, the look of them is enough to put me off
Apart from your grey skies its been really nice & sunny up here

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:02 pm
by Grandad
Kiya wrote:
Cant say I would have enjoyed your meal, the look of them is enough to put me off
Apart from your grey skies its been really nice & sunny up here

I thought you were from a seafaring family Kiya.......don't like shell fish????????
And do stop going on about the weather just because you are seeing some sunshine
For a change

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:23 pm
by Grandad
LovelyLadyLux wrote:Squeeze Gut Alley! Hmmmmm - tantalizingly interestingly looking forward to hearing all about that one.
Definitely looks to be a super cute and quaint place and even for a dull day seemed to have a good amount of activity happening
It was originally Grannie Bells Alley LLL, a lady who had 16 children. Many of the alleys bear the name of the adjacent resident. Rumour has it that after Mrs Bells demise the name was changed. It is said that, at the time, there was a very rotund policeman that the boys used to antagonise and then run down Granny Bells. He was so fat he could only squeeze down the narrow alley and that they say is how the name was changed. Believe it if you like.
There is definitely a tale to tell about the alleys though; smugglers, contraband, customs men, and all that.

But I did find memories coming back just walking the narrow streets yesterday. I think most of us on here have stories to tell about our early years and some later. LLL and living on the farm, Kiya and her seafaring roots, Horus and his Africa and other experiences, MD and being the wife of a country vet, and more and more......
Had she lived, my mother would have been 102 next month, here is her birth certificate.
You will see that her father is listed as an oyster dredger. He died in 1914 when HMS Cressy was sunk by German submarine. He was only 28 and through Genes Reunited I got into contact with a lady in Cambridgeshire who has some evidence that he, my grandfather, could also be her grandfather by an illegitimate birth around 1910. We have not yet found the final piece of the jigsaw but we are still searching.

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:33 pm
by Horus
Lots of Annies about eh Grandad? and that lost relative will give you another little project to keep you busy

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:06 pm
by Kiya
I do like fish but not so good on shell fish
Since you mentioned Whitstable its been bugging my mind
I seem to remember my father speaking about Whitstable but, looking at the UK map I didn't think the fisher folk followed the herring as far but, only as far as Great Yarmouth & Lowestoft.
I'll have to get this checked out

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:40 pm
by Grandad
Horus wrote:Lots of Annies about eh Grandad? and that lost relative will give you another little project to keep you busy

And they still keep coming H. The oldest grand daughter is named Annabelle but her dad calls her 'Annie'.

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:14 am
by Jayway
Nice photos Grandad, thankyou. I have never had a scollop and for sure I wouldnt buy any at that price

Will never live in UK again, would starve to death with those prices, my cockles or clams cost 5 euros a litre, you have to be quick to the market before they are gone - - - They usually stick a couple of oysters in even tho I say I dont like them -

- the dog does

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:40 am
by Horus
Jay, in the metric system 1 litre equals 1 kilo, so Grandads prices are not so bad, he is paying about 1.5 times what you pay for the same amount in Portugal. OK its more but our wages are higher than Portugal and therefore the cost of living is proportionately more in the UK, so maybe its not so bad after all.

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:06 am
by Grandad
All sea food is now very expensive here Jay but, as Horus said, prices here are higher than in Portugal. Scallops are one of the most expensive shell fish but you only need a few and they are succulent.
Shell fish here has always been measured by volume ie. you might buy a pint of shrimps; but a kilo of scallops would probably equate to more than 2 litres so that puts the price of the delicacy more into proportion. Having many seafarers in my family I know the perils they face and do not object to paying a little more for food that we enjoy.
I remember times when both my uncle and my cousin would go out fishing
single handed on their boats, slightly smaller than those in the harbour, on occasions when their mate was unwell. Had to go though to put food on their own tables so I have the greatest respect for 'those in peril on the sea'

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:41 am
by Mad Dilys
That hymn always brings a tear to my eye Grandad.
It's funny yesterday when I opened the fridge the two big glass vases balance on top just touched each other and rang. Immediately I had a passing sense of dread.
I was very close to my Grandfather who "Sailed before the Mast" in the Navy and became imbued with all his superstitions.
Apparently an accidental ring of glass, or metal marks the imminent death of a man at sea, and must be stopped before the ring dies naturally.
A bit like touching wood, which the Egyptians do too ( though they won't or can't tell you why). I have noticed that when I was young it was "Touch wood and whistle" but now the "whistle" seems to have been dropped.
Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:37 pm
by Horus
Never heard the one about ringing glasses MD

interesting
Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:43 pm
by Grandad
And you must never whistle at sea........very bad luck.

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:20 pm
by Mad Dilys
Grandad wrote:And you must never whistle at sea........very bad luck.

Unless of course you are "Whistling up a wind" when becalmed
Nor sail on a Friday - my Uncle Jack who was a Chief Petty Officer like his father and brother had a child born on Friday 13th. It would have been very easy for later problems to be hung on that superstition.

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:19 pm
by Grandad
I am having great fun on Ancestry and rekindled my interest that waned a few years ago. The good thing is that where people are willing to leave their trees open to other members, you often find little snippets that help to fill gaps in your own tree.
This afternoon quite by chance I found this newspaper cutting in another tree. It was Headed "1867 George Madams Shipwreck", and taken from the Kentish Gazette. This was my Great Great grandfather who I knew was a Master Mariner and that he had left a wife and children but I knew not how.....
This clipping fills another gap and again shows what I mentioned before, the perils of the sea...
Sorry about that scarab

My G/G/Grandmother was pregnant and gave birth to Jane after the death of her husband George.

Re: Dreary Bank Holiday Sunday
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:28 pm
by Horus
Very interesting and its all comming together for you now
