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More Egyptians killed post-Morsi than during 2011 revolution

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More Egyptians killed post-Morsi than during 2011 revolution: Rights groups,

Several Egyptian human rights groups on Saturday claimed that the number of people killed in political violence in the summer after the ouster of president Mohamed Morsi was more than twice as many as those killed in the protests to oust Hosni Mubarak.

According to a report issued by the rights groups, a total of 2,665 people died between July and October 2013 in incidents including terrorist violence.

The figure includes 2,273 people killed at political events, 32 in sectarian clashes, 3 in social protests, 62 while in the custody of authorities, 16 due to excess use of violence from security, 200 in terrorist attacks, 18 during security crackdowns, and 61 due to the negligence of authorities.

Those killed include 11 journalists, 8 doctors, 51 women, 118 minors, 211 students, 174 policemen, and 70 military personnel.

The report, signed by 14 rights groups and published at a press conference on Saturday, argues that the current authorities, who replaced Mohamed Morsi after his ouster in July, are continuing the tactics of the previous government.

“Instead of reforming the mayhem caused by their predecessors and doing what is required to introduce radical reforms to the structure of the state in order to perform its part in the service of the citizen, they turned towards the Muslim Brothers’ practices, including incitement and terrorising people” the report read.

The report estimated the number of those killed during the 2011 protests which led to the ouster of Hosni Mubarak to be 1,075 and the numbers killed by political violence during the period of military rule which followed to be 438. The number killed under Morsi’s presidency was 470.

“The rhetoric of the new regime described it as the authentic representative of the Egyptian people in all walks of life, the protector of genuine Egyptian identity, and Egypt’s saviour from the clutches of the Muslim Brothers. However, if we test the discourse on the ground, we will discover that the officials currently in charge of managing the state do not deviate from the approach of their predecessors,” the report added.

The report said that torture continues against political detainees, “from the moment of arrest, during the detention period and then in prison.”

The report also highlighted violence against the press, stating that between 26 June and 26 August 2013 the Arab Network for Human Rights Information had detected 112 cases of violations against the press.

Nine journalists were killed, five channels were closed and four media offices stormed in the period. The report also stated 52 cases of physical assaults, 27 arrests and 13 cases of confiscations and bans. Those committing the violations include security forces, unknown assailants, Brotherhood supporters and Brotherhood opponents.

The independence of the prosecution was also questioned in the report, which stated that prosecutors depends on police complaints in issuing arrest and detention orders despite their official recognition that these complaints are not sufficient. In addition, the prosecution focuses on investigating evidence of guilt and rarely tries to prove innocence, stated the report.

“They (authorities) continue to promote the premise that the country is in a state of war on terror and that terrorism is represented by the Muslim Brothers...to use it as an excuse and a pretext to infringe upon human rights and even silence critical voices and brand them treasonous,” said the report.

“Since 3 July, we have witnessed rising and widespread waves of terror and violence; terrorism is no longer limited to Sinai but bombings and explosions extended to reach the vicinity of security sites that supposedly are safe,” it added, arguing that the state has also failed to fight terrorism.

The groups also condemned the new protest law which requires permits from authorities as an example of how the regime continues to violate international rights agreements and suppress opposition.

The press conference comes in the wake of several recent prosecutions of high profile non-Islamist activists for involvement in protests. Ahmed Maher, Mohamed Adel and Ahmed Douma received sentences of three years, while Alexandrian activists Mahinour El-Masry and Hassan Mostafa were sentenced on Saturday to two years in jail on similar charges.

Prominent blogger and activist Alaa Abdel-Fattah will stand trial on Sunday on charges of torching the headquarters of politician Ahmed Shafiq, who ran for the presidency in 2012. Abdel-Fattah denies the accusation.

The rights groups that signed the report include the Arabic Network for Human Rights Information, the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights (EIPR), Nadeem Centre for the Rehabilitation of Torture Victims, the Egyptian Center for Economic and Social Rights, the Hisham Mubarak Law Centre (HMLC), Nazra for Feminist Studies, Association for Freedom of Thought and Expression, the No to Military Trials campaign, the Cairo Institute for Human Rights, among others.

Source: http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/90800.aspx


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Interesting statistics Keefy especially as most expat’s declare on how safe the country is, even our sadly departed Stan could always be relied upon to give us an example of how much worse the UK was when compared to whatever was being discussed. So here is a good comparison for them to consider, during the roughly 30 years of continuing violence in Northern Ireland (1968 – 1998) when many bombs were planted by dissident groups and open violence often erupted on the streets and clashes with security forces or between opposing civilian groups often occurred, we had less deaths (in total) from bombs, shootings, civil riots or clashes with the military than you have had in Egypt. :tk

During this period slightly less than 3,500 people were killed, this equates to around 117 people each year on average if we disregard the peaks and troughs. The problems are very similar inasmuch as there does not seem to be any common ground for a reconciliation between the different factions and each group held views that were the exact opposite of each other, in Northern Irelands case one group wanting to unite with Southern Ireland and the other wishing to remain a part of the United Kingdom, so basically they were poles apart. Egypt’s situation is similar with one group supporting a pro Islamic state and the other opposing it.

By comparison Belfast and Northern Ireland are much smaller than Cairo and Egypt in general, but the conflict, unrest and killings on an almost daily basis always made world wide news. This resulted in Northern Ireland becoming a no go area for most people and although some parts were unaffected it would not have been on the top of your list of tourist destinations and it’s economy suffered very badly with a lack of investment because of the instability.

Now if these figures are remotely correct they infer that 2,665 people died between July and October 2013, that is a period of only 5 months. If we take the rough total for the revolution and post revolution years as around 2,000 deaths then we arrive at a minimum of 4,500 deaths for the period 2011 – 2013 and if we very generously divide that figure by 3 to get an average death rate of 1,500 per year which would be the lowest figure we could arrive at, then extrapolate that figure over the next 30 years as in N.I. we would have at least 45,000 people killed in civil unrest, or nearly 13 times as bad as it ever was in Northern Ireland.

This may seem far fetched, but the comparisons are frightenly similar and as things stand at the moment are not easily resolved, it has the potential to escalate well beyond the confines of Cairo and as in the case of the UK to spread to the rest of the country with sporadic violence and terrorist attacks. It could potentially turn into a conflict that disrupts the country for many years to come, now ask yourself, is that somewhere you wish to go to on holiday? 8)
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Re: More Egyptians killed post-Morsi than during 2011 revolu

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Good analysis H. I read it and have thought about your analysis over my morning coffee and I can't see anything that isn't spot on.

Personally I think some of your stats might even be a bit to the soft side in that I can see events in Egypt continue to escalate particularly since terrorism seems to be on the rise with the terrorists wanting to make bigger and bigger statements which means bigger and ever rising death tolls per explosive incident. I don't believe that anything is about the get back to normal in the near future but I can see continued political unrest, financial concerns, minimal tourist numbers. Then add in unknown factors i.e. crop failures, outbreak(s) of influenza, climate disasters - those unpredictables that impact a country. Egypt isn't situated right now to easily weather through or overcome.

Other countries in both the middle east and elsewhere - USA, UK, EU are not exactly overly flush during these times so as to be able to continue to offer unlimited help either.

I have a feeling that in the next decade we're going to see a continued global degradation in the quality of life for everybody. Sure those of us who have houses with all amenities will maintain but I worry how future generations will be able to attain or acquire the same level of living we have.
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