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Bits of History around Folkestone…..with Carrie in mind

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On another thread, both Carrie and I have mentioned the war graves at Hawkinge in Kent, just two miles north of Folkestone. It was a bright morning so I decided to go and see for myself, Mrs G in tow of course.

The WWII airfield at Hawkinge housed a fighter squadron and was also a refueling station for aircraft on long haul missions over Europe. So it was a prime target for the Luftwaffe. For a small village like Hawkinge, the cemetery is vast but incredibly well kept with manicured lawns around the graves and the most impressive line of Yew trees right along the main central avenue. In one corner is located the CWGC cemetery for war dead from WWII. This comprises 95 allied servicemen, mostly RAF but some personnel from other military and non military services including some from the commonwealth.

A short pano of the allied section 5195

Also laid to rest among the 95 are twelve graves of German servicemen who died on British soil. In a separate small cemetery nearby there are a further 47 German graves and as far as I know all the Germans were airmen killed when their aircraft were shot down. Most have the names engraved but there are a few marked simply ‘Ein Deutscher Soldat’. I found it very poignant that these young men, fighting for their countries, should be laid to rest together.

A corner of the main area with both allied and German graves. 5196

The German area. 5197

Kurt Sifrar, 20 yoa, the youngest German I found. 5199

The new headstone of recently identified Otto Runge5198

I have been asked why their remains of German servicemen were not repatriated to their home countries. I don’t know the answer but could turn the question around and ask why British servicemen buried in foreign countries had not been repatriated. I hope that some of the German families have come to Hawkinge to visit the graves of their family members.


Next port of call was The Leas high up to the west of Folkestone. This was the location on Monday of last week, 4 August, for Prince Harry to officially dedicate a rather splendid memorial called ‘The Step Short Memorial Arch’. Step Short is a Folkestone charity established in 2008 whose objective is to continually remember and highlight the role played by Folkestone and its people as a principle embarkation port for servicemen on their way to France in WWI. The arch is very modern by design and in the evening the inside surface comes alive with hundreds of twinkling LED’s.

The Step Short Memorial Arch. 5205

A more dramatic view (but I DID have a job to get up ;) ) 5206

Just a few steps from the arch is ‘The Leas Lift’. This is a Victorian water balanced funicular which opened in 1885. It remains intact, as built, and in daily use. It is estimated that in the 129 years since it opened for business, up to 50 million people have used it. And it saves a hard climb from the beach below.

The water balance funicular filling with water. 5200

Now heavier than the lower carriage it can pull it up. 5204

Just a few little historical snippets that we came across this morning. We ended up at The Bell in Hythe for some lunchtime refreshment……


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Very very interesting Grandad and Did you really lay down flat to take the photo of the Arch? Hope getting back up wasn't too difficult (and I hope nobody stepped on you down there either)

I will be most interested to hear why the Germans were not repatriated. The grave of the young fellow - 20 yr old - I would have imagined his parents would have been desperate to get a young son back. Not that others didn't want their relatives home but it is interesting that they have not been repatriated over the years. Will be interesting if you get any further details about this.

And, it IS very touching and considerate to know that the Germans were all buried together. Somebody really had some good thoughts and thinking to say nothing of compassion and consideration when they grouped countrymen together.
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Yes LLL, I really did lay down under the arch but the newly paved area beneath the arch was very clean.

I have found a couple of websites with details of this cemetary and might be able to shed more light on why they were not r epatreated. But it was wartime and many would have been burnt beyond recognition. Even so their remains were treated with dignity. Perhaps families were happy to let them lye where thet fell. Will see what else I can find out.
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Thanks for sharing Grandad, super clear photos.

I always find it so so sad when we come across war time graves especially these very young lads, their mothers must have been heart broken.

Thank goodness they are remembered & lye in these beautiful kept cemeteries.
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LLL, I have raised some questions with CWGC and will let you know what they say. Commonwealth War Graves Commission manages 23,000 cemeteries and memorials in 153 countries representing 1.7million allies who died in both world wars.

I checked the list of the 95 at Hawkinge from WWII and found 5 of your compatriots, all serving with the RCAF. I have listed their details below but for people who spend their time researching military personnel who died in service, things like this are a good starting point. Another route that such people follow is to buy military medals at boot fairs etc. Many have the name engraved and that gives a starting point to find out more about the individual.

Here are the five airmen named at Hawkinge.
Sergeant William Lorne Fraser, service number R/74355, died 07/11/1941.
Pilot Officer Charles Willard Gomm, S/N J/9279, died 08/07/1942.
Pilot Officer James Norman Lewis, S/N J/7457, died 31/05/1942
Flight Sergeant Stanley Gilbert Napier, S/N R/69243, died 12/04/1942.
Flight Sergeant Walter Charles Wicker, S/N R/74415, died 27/04/1942.

Just five of the many who served with the allies……
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My former father in law (now deceased) served 'somewhere' around London. He was a Sergent and on his return he refused for the rest of his life to talk about his time and experiences there. Was like a 4 year period of his life just disappeared. I always took from it that it was a pretty horrendous time.

It will be interesting to know the whys. I can kinda see why Canadians wouldn't necessarily be repatriated given the distances involved and even once they're back in Canada it depends on 'where' exactly in Canada they were from (west coast vs east coast). The slower modes of transport way back then may have not been too conducive to moving bodies however Germany isn't that far off. Maybe politics played a role and as time passed it just became too difficult.

Good thing it was a dry day too given your horizontal photo taking ;) Was a good photo though and worth taking. ;)
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Lovely pictures Grandad, i like it that when and where ever you see the head stones of service men the grass and surroundings are always immaculate, the only time I've really came into contact with a war cemetery was when i was in Thailand. While on a trip to the River Kwai bridge we was taken to cemetery called Chong-Kai at Kanchanburi, it was only a small cemetery, but i found it a very moving experience, heres a few snaps from the trip

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Both of your accounts and images are very moving and a tribute to the people who care and maintain these war graves all over the world.
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That is a very impressive cemetery BK.

We didn't get to the Kwai when we were in Thailand but as a consolation ;) we did see the location on the river in Sri Lanka where the film was made. :)
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Very touching photos BK. I have never seen anything like that before. They are a wonderful tribute to the fallen men who served.
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LovelyLadyLux wrote:I will be most interested to hear why the Germans were not repatriated. The grave of the young fellow - 20 yr old - I would have imagined his parents would have been desperate to get a young son back. Will be interesting if you get any further details about this.
It has taken a long time LLL but back in August I DID ask the question of the WGC, this was my email:
"I have just visited the cemetary at Hawkinge in Kent where both allied and German servicemen have headstones. Can you tell me if the headstones are symbolic and represent somebody who died nearby in the war or are actual remains buried at the site. Online friends ask if remains are ever repatriated to their home countries for formal burial? I found the Hawkinge cemetary beautifully maintained and very poignant that allies and Germans are commemorated together."

I received this reply today:
"Thank you for your email of 14 August 2014. Please accept our apology for the delay of our reply. This is due to the very large volume of correspondence we are currently receiving. (My comment: Probably due to it being the centenary of the start of WWI )

All Commission headstones represent an actual grave unless the headstone is marked 'believed to be buried in this churchyard/cemetery'.
The Commission has a policy of non-repatriation of war dead. The Commissioners judged that 'to allow the removal by a few individuals (of necessity only those who could afford the cost) would be contrary to the principle of equality of treatment... A higher ideal than that of private burial at home is embodied in these war cemeteries in foreign lands, where those who fought and fell together, officers and men, lie together in their last resting place, facing the line they gave their lives to maintain."

So I hope this answers your question LLL.
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Ohhhhhhh hmmmm. Very interesting answer they gave you Grandad. Will mull it over a bit and then comment further ... hmmm.
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