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Post by LovelyLadyLux »

How are things generally going now? Are you noticing a before and after effect? (Before being before the protests) Do you have the feeling you're sitting on a boil plate ready to explode? Or are you still just simmering away?


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B efore the protests i went out and walked in Cairo alone and felt safe either shopping sight seeing or just walking, now since the [protest the lack of law and order has made this impossible most people even locals will only go out together as there are so many problems with the lack of law and order and complete disrespect even the traffic police get from the public
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Post by LovelyLadyLux »

That is a major lifestyle change. Do you see this as a transitional thing? Or is this more a break down or a crossing of the line that now this type of activity is happening it won't go back....in fact it might get worse?
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I hope it goes back but i feel that this will only happen once the new government get police back on the streets and show that they will not tolerate disrespect of the law. One of the major problems is that there are still alot of criminals on the streets that escaped from jail during the protests and until they are caught this will always happen and with no police they wont be caught but it is also the thoughts of some that this is democracy only abide by what laws they want and disregard the rest.
The majority of egyptians are still the same, kind, friendly and welcoming but as always it is the few that spoil it for the many.
Even after the curfew here in fisal, there are those who decide that they will stay out on the streets
I am going to Hurghada for a few days at the end of this week so i will see if it is different there from Cairo
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Post by LovelyLadyLux »

Same question just 6 weeks later........how are things going? Getting back to normal? A new normal? An old normal?
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I have been in Luxor for the month of April. In my last week the police started appearing but were not seeming to do anything. Its not the same, couple of times in town I saw arguments start and in 30 seconds there were a hundred men shouting and shoving, a passing calesh picked me up. As for riding out in the desert in peace and quiet, they said it was better if I took an escort with me. No, I didnt feel Luxor was the same place as before the protests and I certainly would not want to be Karenh living in Cairo.- :(
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Karen is no worse off than anyone else living in any part of Egypt, thank heaven, in fact she is carving a good life out for herself living where she does, the thing i think that is uppermost in her mind and in many of our minds is the feeling of the lack of law and order, the way it used to be, THAT is the biggest notable change in everyday life , where ever you live in that country, its no worse than Luxor really its just bigger. :)
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Post by LovelyLadyLux »

Right on Christine - my primary reason for not 'holidaying' in Luxor is what I perceive to be the lack of law and order. Granted I wanted a hang about, do nothing, swim in the pool type holiday and whilst I love the pool at Isis hotel I just couldn't bring myself to think about going there. I also like to walk here and there, poke around, take photos etc but I just couldn't bring myself to think that Luxor is 'ok' and all is well.

I think as Jayway indicated it has changed. Arguements breaking out quickly and easily. The 'feel' seems to be different right now soooooooo I went back to "Aloha land."

I hope the tone changes and everything gets back into a secure and safe order cause I love the area and want to go to Aswan next trip.
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Still no real law and order and its gets worrying I now live in Maadi a better area than Giza bit today saw men and boys with sticks and knives .........also it appears that the police have been told if anyone tries to break into the police stations to steal guns etc just to let them have them.............worrying
There is still a decided lack of police on the streets but the traffic police can be seen but people are still driving the wrong way on the wrong side of the road and generally doing what they want......
Been to tahir square again today and once again the tents and camps are there but not many..............
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Thanks for the update Karen :) shame that things don't seem to be getting any better at the moment. :(
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Post by LovelyLadyLux »

Any updates now? Any feel as to the general temperment of the people? the Army? the politicians?
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Personally, I think it's getting worse. :( More crime & violence. I know some expats saying that nothing has changed, but we DO feel it's changed. Even the local Egyptians feel it's getting more dangerous. Our neighbours are putting up fences around the gardens and extra grills on doors and windows... and we are living in one of the safest area in the Greater Cairo. Quite a few Egyptians have told us recently "When somebody hit your car, don't get out. Just leave", "Don't walk around alone", "Keep some kind of weapon in your house" and so on. We never heard any sentiments like these 3 years ago.
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Post by Grandad »

Silvermagpie said
I know some expats saying that nothing has changed, but we DO feel it's changed.
I think it is too easy to feel secure until some incident affects you directly.....otherwise it is a case of 'Where ignorance is bliss'

Renters and even owners of property should consider very carefully before leaving Egypt for a short time. I know of two people on the West Bank, one renter and one owner, who were refused re-entry and forced to leave the country for no good reason. Their homes were then taken over by Egyptians.

For all I know there may be other similar cases....
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Post by Horus »

'Where ignorance is bliss'
I think that also plays a big part, :) as does the desire to want to see things differently. When you have committed yourself to living elsewhere as many have, it is hard to admit that you may have to eventually leave the country or that your current lifestyle will change for the worse. There is also the business interest to take into account, many people have their fingers in a few pies and it is in their own interest to ‘talk things up’ so to speak. The sad part is those people who either cannot easily move for economic reasons and we have seen this happen in places like Spain where people sold up and moved there because they could enjoy a cheaper cost of living. Once the economics of that country changed they found themselves unable to return and live in the UK because their funds would not permit them to get back on the property ladder or they could not afford to live here on their current incomes. An average pension would allow you to live very well in Egypt, but just get by in the UK, so anyone in that position would really have little choice but to stay and hope it got better.
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Post by Grandad »

Well put H :)

I think that the 'renters' are in the best position because even if you are forced to leave, you are not leaving behind property for which you may never get any return. Ex pats in countries like Spain are hit by a double whammy.....their income was worth far more 10 years ago when the Euro was around 1.6 to the pound. At around 1.15 now they are really feeling the pinch.

And if they have property, there is no way that they can recover their initial outlay even if they CAN sell. I agree with you that it is probably better to ride out the current situation in Egypt but in some other countries the ex pats have no alternative but to leave, they just can't afford to stay there any longer.....

I don't really want to get into a Euro discussion but I feel sure that incomes in the Euro zone have increased to match the strength of the Euro and that their incomes are far higher than those in the UK.
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Post by Horus »

They certainly do have better pensions in Europe and that is half the problem. Do you really want to see your taxes going to pay some guys pension in Greece who retired at 55 on more that you will ever receive, but paid bugger all in to start with? if so then the EU is for you. ;)
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I feel sure that incomes in the Euro zone have increased to match the strength of the Euro and that their incomes are far higher than those in the UK.
I suppose it depends on the country in the EU. We have a house in Spain in a small mountain village and we lived there full time for 3 years so we know people there quite well. Many Spaniards there are struggling. Our next door earns about €1000 between two of them. The other side, only the wife is working and she earns about €800 per month. There are a few exceptions in the village who earns a lot (like lawyers...) but a lot of their income is more or less at the same level which doesn't strike me to be that high...

Ex pats in countries like Spain are hit by a double whammy.....their income was worth far more 10 years ago when the Euro was around 1.6 to the pound. At around 1.15 now they are really feeling the pinch. And if they have property, there is no way that they can recover their initial outlay even if they CAN sell. I agree with you that it is probably better to ride out the current situation in Egypt but in some other countries the ex pats have no alternative but to leave, they just can't afford to stay there any longer.....
Yeah, we came across many from the UK got into that position. One couple we know just gone back to the UK after having lived in Spain for 8 years. They don't expect to be able to sell their apartment in Costa Blanca. They are probably in the better position than many others since they own an apartment in the UK as well and no mortgage to pay. So many others are completely stuck in between a rock and a hard place situations.

I don't know what's gonna happen to Egypt next but yesterday one of our friends got a phone call from an Egyptian acquaintance telling him to consider leaving Egypt before January. She thinks that the "taking back revolution" would take place and it would get ugly and concerns about his children. Don't know why she thinks that way but certainly it shook him up. :(
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Post by Horus »

Thanks for that insight Silvermagpie, :) not that I think it could ever get that bad in Egypt, but we only have to remember what happened to property and farms in the African countries of Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and Uganda. Once a radical government gets into power then everything is up for grabs as far as the uneducated masses are concerned. I would not think that there is quite so much foreign owned property in Egypt, but it may be higher than we imagine and of course Egypt does have a past history for grabbing back what is considered her property, think Suez Canal under Nasser's rule. ;)
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Post by Grandad »

Very informative to hear your first hand account of your experience in Spain Silvermagpie. I have no doubt that in the rural areas of EU countries the people live on low incomes. But I am sure that in the more affluent industrial and business areas people are much better off.

But isn't that the same in all countries?

And those high pensions are not only confined to Greece Horus. France and Germany do VERY well and still retire earlier than we do. I hear today that our government has refused to contribute to the IMF 'bail out' fund to help the Euro.......damn right too.......like any club, you only pay contributions if you are a member.....don't you????
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I absolutely agree with you, Grandad. Let the bankers take care of it! :P But I know it wouldn't happen...
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